2014 Ram 1500 ecodiesel vs 2015 nissan titan diesel – cardebater

Before we get to the nitty gritty, I just want to take a second to acknowledge the numbers on the table above. Those outputs and fuel economy ratings are just some of the many reasons that I’m totally digging all the news about the push for more diesel engines in the states. Light-duty pickups pumping out 500 lb-ft of torque is just astounding.

One quick look at the specs shows that the 1500’s V6 is more fuel efficient and the Titan’s V8 is more powerful. However, the EcoDiesel’s output really isn’t too far off from that of the Cummins engine. I know I just said that I’m jacked on the Cummins’ 500 lb-ft of torque, but at the same time I have to wonder if it’s really necessary to go that big.

I feel like the EcoDiesel’s 420 lb-ft of torque is more than adequate.

Now it’s worth noting that the 24 mpg rating listed for the Cummins V8 is just an estimate. As I said earlier, Ram ran tests on the engine and found that it wasn’t able to return any more than 24 mpg, so I’m just going to go ahead and assume that EPA tests will return a similar figure. Either way, as a V8, it’s not likely that it’s ever going to come close to the 28 mpg rating of the EcoDiesel V6.

When considering both of the engines’ outputs and fuel economy ratings, I have to say that the EcoDiesel engine of the Ram 1500 seems to be the better of the two options. It may not be as powerful as the Cummins V8, but you can’t really deny that impressive fuel efficiency. Plus, like I said, for a pickup that is—or at least once was—considered to be light duty, its output seems undoubtedly sufficient. Winner of the CarDebate: 2014 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel

Correct me if I’m wrong… but the VM 3.0L was designed to be put into the Cadillac, problem was in 2007-2008 GM tanked and lost the engine to Chrystler. The 3.0 has been in Jeep for two years now, and has just been put into the Ram 1500 for the first time. It was released with HW MPG rating of 31, through actual use people have been getting 40MPG out of the 3.0… Ram has since changed the rating, some dealers too, though if you look at different dealers some will say 31, others say 40, as the evidence of it getting 40 is somewhat new and the updates haven’t been made at all dealers.

So I’m pretty much sold on the eco diesel as the winner for a guy that wants a full sized truck that I can a few weeks of towing with a year. However I do hold a reserve… I have no idea how many clicks on the odometer I’m going to get with a 3.0 running with loads in it or not. If treated correctly and driven like a commuting driver not a race driver, then I would expect 300,000 km before major problems. Maybe even 500k like the old toyota rl22 or old cummings use to get, but with far superior fuel economy.

Based on my observations of the number and types of trucks on the road, the great majority are empty, used as grocery getters. For this vast majority, imho they will balance between the need mpg and the odd time they really do need a truck. For this group, I imagine the Ram 1500 will suit them well. My difficulty with the Ram brand is reliability and resale value: both are low.

The situation changes dramatically in real life when a real truck is needed for daily use: such as towing a 7000# trailer every week for say 500 miles or so. For this situation, the Ram has good specs, but the actual results are far less. For real hauling, the mpg is way below 28, and closer to 14 mpg, and the engine works hard. The strain on the frame and tranny is great. Ram is not famous for its tranny, but this new one could be better. Ram is not famous for reliability, So we must wait a few years to assess this adequately.

But for the group that really needs and wants a real truck, I imagine this new Nissan will win sales quickly. Cummins is a great brand. I would expect in real-life towing the mpg will be close to 14mpg, and with much less strain on the engine than the Ram’s. Also, the Aisin tranny is one of the best; Aisin is the world’s largest tranny manufacturer, and all top brands use them. The Nissan frame is likely stronger than the Ram, judging by the payload and towing specs. In all, for about the same purchase price and the same mpg in real-life real-truck use, the Nissan may prove to be the better truck. The Nissan brand has much better reputation for reliability and resale.

The Ram has a few more features, but as options; such as towing, air suspension, and creature comforts. Nissan could easily offer these as add-ons, and buyers could use after-market parts also. Neither offer exhaust brake as standard or option, which is a sore point for me. The Cummins could likely perform well with exhaust brake, but I expect the Ram V6 may be too small to be effective.

Book- I have had the same experiences with my trucks in the past. I have had V6 and I6 models that offer comparable power to the V8 models I have owned. Simple physics with displacement has not changed. My big block V8’s although always thirsty, were not under as much strain when accomplishing the same task, and gas mileage didn’t change much. I could keep the RPMs low and stay in the low torque ban.

To put it all to rest, Nissan and Toyota will not be offering 3/4 ton or 1ton models. The 1/2 ton market is the main vein of consumer trucks. For those needing a truck to haul and accomplish work more often or daily will find a bigger stronger power train found in the Nissan/Toyota will be more efficient and a little bit more effective. Not to mention will suffer from less wear and require less maintenance. However if you simply use your truck as a commuter that hauls a boat or camper from time to time a small displacement that is efficient on its own, but carries the capability to do the work from time to time, will be better choice. Personally I like the idea of being able to haul my car carrier (the heaviest thing Ill haul 12000lbs max loaded) and my family and equipment all at once. To accomplish this without having to step up the a heavier 3/4 for cross country commutes is great for my own situation. If Nissan and Toyota wont dance with the heavy duty, they better build some hard core 1/2ton trucks.

Currently drive an ’07 3/4ton, long-bed Ram with a 5.9 Cummins. After I retired, needed something to do to stay busy, so bought the Ram and knocked around Texas, hot shotting (but, it still looks new and gets compliments, every day, ’cause I didn’t tow with it, stayed out of pipe yards, and was, generally, just fanatical about keeping it well maintained and clean, but now, all I use if for is to carry some shifter karts). 250k miles, and still see 22-24mpg at 60-65! I do love that 5.9! In fact, I love my Dodge, in general. But, I’m also excited about the new light duty diesels,… just too many unknowns, right now, for me to figure out which is “best”. For those of you with distinct needs, ie., more towing capacity, or higher mpg, you’re lucky,… your choice between the Ram and the Nissan will, most likely, be easier. For me to give up my current truck, though, I’m gonna have to have faith in any new trucks’ reliability, since towing capacity isn’t a huge issue with me, mpg,… a little more so, although a 4 mpg difference won’t be enough to offset any perceived reliability differences between the VM6 (yeah,… some good press, already, and Gale Banks says they’re stout and capable of making some very good power, if that’s your thing) or the Cummins 5.0 (still an unknow,… the 5.9 is a honey, but the later 6.7s still have their share of issues), so I’m really on the fence, right now. Both trucks offer good looks, in their own way, but think I like the Dodge interiors (I’m married, so, yeah, the interior’s gonna matter, a lot). Also, I like the new 8-speed autos (my BMW’s is pure magic,… if Dodge even comes “close” to that box, then, badda bing, badda boom! Don’t know what Nissan will put behind the Cummins.). And,… Dodge, at least in my estimation, has a long history of building some stout trucks,… Nissan,… not too sure. (But, man! That 5.0 Cummins does “call my name”!) So,… as of this moment, I see the tote board swaying toward the Dodge (for me, anyway). Still want to see some road tests, here from some of the mags, and, of course, test drive each truck. Let’s all just pop open a brewsky and thank the Good Lord that we’ve got such tough decisions to make! Ain’t Life a kick in the pants?

I have a 2005 Nissan Titan with over 253,000 miles on it. Has been a great truck, but mileage sucks (to be expected). I tow frequently, though so far never more than about 8k. The Dodge EcoDiesel can pull that, if properly equipped, but it’s at max capacity. I know the Titan will easily pull that, as mine does now, with 1400 lbs. to spare. I’m leaning towards a new Titan, BUT, is it worth the price of admission? Will the MPG offset the cost to buy a new truck over the long term, versus keeping what I have? I can think of plenty of other things I’d like to buy….like an RV.

These new trucks are uber-expensive (nice, sure, with touch screens and air suspension, leather, heated everything, etc.), and if I had an RV I’m not sure I’d need a pickup truck much, except the occasional run to Home Depot or something like that. Awful lot of $$$ to spend just to have something “new”. And, what about all the aftermarket “upgrades” that will need to be added, lift, tires, tonneu cover, seat covers, etc. etc.?

As a person who’s never owned a diesel, I have been reading these comparisons with interest. I don’t tow anything, but I do use my ’09 F-150 as a truck from time to time. It’s my everyday driver and I will haul the occasional load of whatever. Believe it or not, we also use it as our trip taker. It rides well, and I get in the teens in fuel mileage.

I do plan to make my next truck a diesel. I have no brand loyalty as far as automakers go. However, I have driven for my job and have many friends who have owned the various diesel engines, and I do like the Cummins engine. From what I’ve read it seems that the new Dodge was destined for the newest Cummins, but the whole bankruptcy thing changed all that. So I understand that Fiat chose to put their engine in the new Dodge because they already owned them both; is that right? It seems a smart move on Nissan’s part to jump on the chance to put a Cummins in their new truck.

My wish has always been to get a 1500 sized truck with a diesel engine. I have never desired to own a big 2500 series 4×4 truck just to get the diesel engine. My driving habits tell me that the new Dodge is the way to go. I want good fuel mileage, the ability to put something in the bed if I need to, and durability. It’s just hard to overlook the fact that with my driving habits I should also be able to get good fuel economy with the Nissan/Cummins.

1. The trannys that were eaten up by the Cummins were the automatics built in-house by Mopar on the Rams from the early-90’s through the early- to mid-2000’s. Couldn’t handle the torque to begin with, but also suffered from poor build quality. But when Dodge introduced the 6.7L Cummins that crapped the bed, they also redesigned their transmissions. Mopar’s automatic trannys were not only sturdier, but also began seeing better quality control, so the transmission argument is long dead and gone. Also, the 8-speed in the current Rams isn’t even a Mopar. It’s a ZF.

2. Bob, wrong on almost all counts except Fiat buying Dodge and Toyota possibly partering with Cummins. Most 3/4 tons can’t even fifth wheel/gooseneck 18k pounds, much less bumper pull. Also, Chrysler’s relationship with VM Motori (the manufacturer of the 3.0L EcoDiesel) goes MUCH further back than Fiat’s relationship with Chrysler. VM began producing diesels for Chrysler’s European cars as far back as the 90’s. I know the Jeep Wranglers have optioned VM’s 2.8L four cylinder diesel into their European models dating back to the 2007 redesign. It wasn’t until late last year that Fiat completed their 100% acquisition of VM. They purchased the first half from Penske Racing, the second from General Motors. I know. Both were very Italian. Before being purchased by Penske (which eventually sold half their ownership to GM), VM was wholly owned by Detroit Diesel. Which, at the time, was owned by DaimlerChrysler.

3. Most diesels will naturally run longer than gasoline counterparts because of the combustion process. Back when I was in commercial fleet sales, 83% of Isuzu diesels were rated to go 300k miles in extreme stop-and-go conditions without any major overhauls. Our Nissan UD’s weren’t much different. I’d imagine most of the diesels produced today would be well above the 60% mark. No gasoline engine ever built has approached those kinds of numbers, and gas engines built today are FAR more well-built and reliable than ever before. But they just can’t touch the longevity of a diesel primarily because of the combustion process.

5. Some have knocked the Ram’s quality. Some have said there’s nothing wrong with it. Both are correct. After seeing plenty of early-2000’s Rams get traded in. The insides look and feel terrible. Door handles falling off, entire dashes that are barely hanging on, and that was only after 150k miles or so. Interior and exterior quality was just absolutely terrible. Far and away the worst of all the truck manufacturers. BUT (as mentioned) those 5.9L Cummins were bulletproof and they boasted the strongest front and rear ends on the market. Furthermore, my friends who are still around trucks tell me that the redesign they did about five years ago improved the quality of the Ram quite a bit to where it’s every bit as good as the other four.

They’ve been planning this since they were working with Dodge to develop the next-gen Titan and never gave up on it. Though I have no clue where they currently are in regards to moving forward, they were intent on moving forward after refining the chassis and powertrain (that 5.0L Cummins had been kicked around for a while) as of two years ago.